Date   

REMINDER A Photo Essay workshop

Barbara Nelson 1
 

Cutting through the clutter of multiple webinars, ZOOM meetings -  this timely workshop will guide us to organize our photos into a strong presentation for the end purpose - 
This is more than just an editing workshop.


A Photo Essay can take many creative forms and end destinations.  We all have groups (or mixed groups) of photos that can be organized into strong presentation.
This workshop will setup guidelines to work with to get started - or move forward - (and focused)  Three sessions.

Dates: Saturdays- November 7, 14, 21.
Time:  11:00 - 2 PM EST
Fee:  $150.00 PWP members.  $175 non-members  
Maximum 15 people

RSVP.  Barbara Nelson.  bnelson2@...

Forward check to hold reservation.
Barbara Nelson
340 Haven Avenue #3J
NYC, NY 10033

For viewing images we can work with Bridge or Lightroom or screen-share in ZOOM

OUTLINE OF EACH SESSION:

November 7, Session 1: 
  • What is a Photo Essay, Beginning Middle End
  • showing different examples from Magazines/ editorial work and Art context (museums, galleries, books) for inspiration
  • brainstorming ideas
  • structuring assignments/ shot list: for example empty rooms, interior/exterior, still lives, portraits, and different shot types (close up, medium, wide)

November 14, Session 2: 
  • Looking at images and assignment work
  • presenting ideas visual with photographs
  • what’s missing, what needs to be re-photographed
  • more assignments: candid and contrived images, shooting in different light (twilight), how to photograph emotions etc.
  • thinking about text, such as project titles and captions for each image

November 21, Session 3: 
  • Editing and Sequencing - putting the story together
  • Thinking about different output, social media, magazines, books, gallery show etc.
  • Final presentation and Critique

Claudia Sohrens is a German-born visual artist and educator, who lives and works in New York. Sohrens received a BFA in Communications Design from IN.D, in Hamburg, and an MA in Media and Communications from the European Graduate School in Switzerland, where she is currently a PhD candidate. She is faculty in the Full-Time General Studies Program at the International Center of Photography, in the Photography Department at Parsons The New School for Design and in the Communications Design Department at Pratt Institute.She is the recipient of several artist grants, such as the 2010 NYFA fellowship in Photography; she participated in artist residencies, for example at the Bronx Museum in New York. Her work has been included in exhibitions at the Bronx Museum, the Brooklyn Museum and at the Artists Space in New York, as well as international art venues and festivals, such as the Electronic Language Festival in Sao Paulo, the Project Space at Kunsthalle Wien, KW – the Institut for Contemporary Art in Berlin, as well as, Kampnagel KX in Hamburg. Her latest project Mise En Abyme: Archive, has fiscal sponsorship through NYFA http://artspire.org/DirectoryDetail/tabid/95/id/1142/Default.aspx

Barbara Nelson, long time PWP member, produces the professional workshops and seminars for PWP.  Photographer, journalist, producer of workshops and seminars for the visual arts community.  Member PWP, WICI, ASMP.  www.barbaranelson.com







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Re: Sunday, New York Times, Arts and Leisure Section - Note from Jan Goldstoff about Pete Souza documentary & Telio

Claudia
 

I saw the interview with Pete Souza the other night. He mentioned that the film will be available on YouTube. I believe the date is Oct 23. I didn’t see it so am looking forward to the opportunity.

Claudia


Re: Sunday, New York Times, Arts and Leisure Section - Note from Jan Goldstoff about Pete Souza documentary & Telio

Jan Goldstoff
 

I am a member of PWP but we never met

I am a publicist/event photographer and producer/golden connector/musician and composer

and this week I will be launching another song I wrote and got recorded. It is a healing song for the world called

THE BRIDGE WE HAVE TO CROSS.

 

Before the pandemic I was a very active event photographer and was the main event photographer for NY WOMEN IN COMMUNICATIONS

Now I photograph small private gatherings and small events

 

I wonder if any PWP members live on the Upper West Side

each night the TELIO restaurant (Greek/Italian) on Broadway at 92nd Street has great food and live music starting usually 5:30pm - 9

I know the owner and one of my  singer clients performs there weekly

 

·       I saw THE WAY I SEE IT documentary last night on MSNBC and plan to tell my friends and members of my Golden Rolodex Group all about it –

·       I formed this networking group years ago and it has grown extensively over the years

·       I am trying to find out how everyone else can see it for free, when, where, when it will go to DVD but if you find out first, please let me know

 

It was such an illuminating and lmportant film

Biden must win by a landslide!

Democracy is on the ballet.

 

Have a great day

Love Jan Goldstoff

 

 

 

 

 

Jan Goldstoff

www.JanGoldstoff.com

 

www.thegalwiththegoldenrolodex.com

Inspirational Publicist, Golden Connector, Passionate Photographer

Ambassador to the NEW YORK OPEN CENTER

Winner of the 2014 NYWICI LIZ HOOVER AWARD
Jan Goldstoff Public Relations
the gal with the golden rolodex
golden connections for your success

400 Central Park West, Suite 3K, New York, NY 10025-5823
Tel: (212) 666-9413; Cell: (917) 553-0547
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"Speak your Dream, Find your Team, Live your Passions, and Enjoy all the Moments". Jan Goldstoff's 4 pillars for happiness and success.

 

 

 

From: Members@PWP.groups.io [mailto:Members@PWP.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daphne
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:01 PM
To: Lynne
Cc: Members@pwp.groups.io
Subject: Re: [PWP] Sunday, New York Times, Arts and Leisure Section

 

Thanks,  Lynne, for your many tips and. comments! They are much appreciated.

 

Daphne

 

 

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 11:34 AM Lynne <lynne@...> wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/arts/design/richard-avedon-group-portraits.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Art%20%20Design

Excellent article on Richard Avedon in Sunday's NYT Art and Leisure Section.
Also there is mention of our book club reading, Ninth Street Women, as part of Inside culture.
I saw the free documentary on CNN last night featuring Pete Souza taking us through his work not only for Ronald Reagan, but the 8 years he spent photographing Obama.
If you can try to see it.
Enjoy,
Lynne R. Cashman


Re: Sunday, New York Times, Arts and Leisure Section

Daphne
 

Thanks,  Lynne, for your many tips and. comments! They are much appreciated.

Daphne


On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 11:34 AM Lynne <lynne@...> wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/arts/design/richard-avedon-group-portraits.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Art%20%20Design

Excellent article on Richard Avedon in Sunday's NYT Art and Leisure Section.
Also there is mention of our book club reading, Ninth Street Women, as part of Inside culture.
I saw the free documentary on CNN last night featuring Pete Souza taking us through his work not only for Ronald Reagan, but the 8 years he spent photographing Obama.
If you can try to see it.
Enjoy,
Lynne R. Cashman


Re: Sunday, New York Times, Arts and Leisure Section

Lynne
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/arts/design/richard-avedon-group-portraits.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Art%20%20Design

Excellent article on Richard Avedon in Sunday's NYT Art and Leisure Section.
Also there is mention of our book club reading, Ninth Street Women, as part of Inside culture.
I saw the free documentary on CNN last night featuring Pete Souza taking us through his work not only for Ronald Reagan, but the 8 years he spent photographing Obama.
If you can try to see it.
Enjoy,
Lynne R. Cashman


facebook

Barbara Nelson 1
 

anyone having trouble logging into your Facebook.
Just now I am not able to log in neither from the icon on my computer nor by going on line and entering my facebook address.

there is no alert message - just a blank page.

weird

barbara nelson
212-927-1977

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Re: More photography Views

Lynne
 

https://www.swanngalleries.com/news/photographs-and-photobooks/2020/09/fall-2020-preview-fine-photographs/?utm_source=aperture&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2548&utm_content=more%20details&mc_cid=9ecf51183c&mc_eid=0b56e6b7fb

If you go to the Swann Gallery site you will find an array of information on their photography auction as well as articles about Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mother about Dorothea Lange herself and a number of other interesting articles.
Enjoy.
Lynne R. Cashman


Re: Exhibition

m g
 

conrats on a beautiful photo and video!!!


From: Members@PWP.groups.io <Members@PWP.groups.io> on behalf of Susan Richman <marksue1@...>
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 PM
To: PWP Egroup <Members@pwp.groups.io>
Subject: [PWP] Exhibition
 
Hi,
Here is a sneaky peek of my exhibition at the Upstream Gallery in Hastings on Hudson.
The gallery hours are Thursday-Sunday 12:30 to 5:30.



Re: Photo License Agreement

Meryl
 

Dear Babs-

Thanks for sharing.

Liebowitz law firm has done great work for me the past few years. They have won every case in which people have used my work without permission for commercial purposes. In addition, they take care of copyrighting published work.
Debra Rothenberg referred Liebowitz to me. https://liebowitzlawfirm.com
It's good to have Joel Hecker's contact information too.

PWP is a sharing community and I am so appreciative.

Meryl Meisler



On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 12:26 PM Babs Armour <bka411@...> wrote:
Last week I sent an email asking for help on a possible use of my photos. A dealer wanted me to send hi res files of three of my images to be printed by his printer. I would not do this without a strong contract. The deal ultimately didn't work out but I contacted two lawyers who both gave good advice and I'm passing  their names along. 
Babs Armour

Donna Halperin
Director of Client Relations
Liebowitz Law Firm, PLLC
T. 516-233-1660
E. DH@...

Joel Hecker
917.848.9373



 


Photo License Agreement

Babs Armour
 

Last week I sent an email asking for help on a possible use of my photos. A dealer wanted me to send hi res files of three of my images to be printed by his printer. I would not do this without a strong contract. The deal ultimately didn't work out but I contacted two lawyers who both gave good advice and I'm passing  their names along. 
Babs Armour

Donna Halperin
Director of Client Relations
Liebowitz Law Firm, PLLC
T. 516-233-1660
E. DH@...

Joel Hecker
917.848.9373



 


Photographing portraits

Claudia
 

I don’t usually do portraits unless very informally. I have been asked to do head shots of 16 individuals outdoors for the purpose of a newsletter and website. I don’t believe prints will be necessary. I use a Fuji xt-10 with a 18-55 lens. How much could I reasonably charge?  Is this something I should even contemplate doing?  Thanks. 


Re: Exhibition

Linda
 

Beautiful work. Congratulations!


On Oct 9, 2020, at 9:30 PM, Susan Richman <marksue1@...> wrote:


Hi,
Here is a sneaky peek of my exhibition at the Upstream Gallery in Hastings on Hudson.
The gallery hours are Thursday-Sunday 12:30 to 5:30.


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Exhibition

Susan Richman
 

Hi,
Here is a sneaky peek of my exhibition at the Upstream Gallery in Hastings on Hudson.
The gallery hours are Thursday-Sunday 12:30 to 5:30.



Re: Free Photographic Exhibit

Lynne
 

Hi:
Just saw a free photographic exhibit at Phillips Auction House, 57th Street and Park Avenue. Transcendence: Poet TC Tolbert on photographs from the Peter Fetterman Collection.
It will open until October 14th when the auction occurs.
Many new images that many of us haven't seen, but also newer work.
Many nature images with a video and words by Poet TC Tolbert.
It is fun to stumble onto unexpected good things nowadays and finding the video online accompanied by Tolbert's words made it even more rewarding.
Have fun. Hours vary so check their website phillips.com
Lynne


PWP Book Club - Books for November, December and January!

Irene
 

Hi All!

 

Our PWP book club has selected books for November, December and January and I’d like to share this information with you. Everyone is invited to join our discussions!

 

November 4 – Ninth Street Women: Lee Krasner, Elaine de Kooning, Grace Hartigan, Joan Mitchell, and Helen Frankenthaler: Five Painters and the Movement That Changed Modern Art by Mary Gabriel

The New York Times Editors’ Choice – 10/4/18

The impassioned, wild, sometimes tragic, always exhilarating chronicle of five women who dared to enter the male-dominated world of twentieth-century abstract painting – not as muses but as artists. Gabriel is the author of Love and Capital which was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize.

"A gorgeous and unsettling narrative...” ― Jennifer Szalai, The New York Times

 

December 2 – Visual Intelligence: Sharpen Your Perception, Change Your Life by Amy E. Herman 

In her celebrated seminar, The Art of Perception, art historian Amy Herman has trained experts from many fields to perceive and communicate better. By showing people how to look closely at images, she helps them hone their “visual intelligence,” a set of skills we all possess but few of us know how to use effectively. 

For fun, take the Visual Intelligence quiz at http://www.visualintelligencebook.com to learn your “VQ.”

“In her masterful new book, Amy Herman offers a compelling case for the life enhancing value—and central importance—of careful observation. Within these pages Herman teaches us how to be active and attentive observers, both within the confines of an art museum and well beyond. Visual Intelligence is a fascinating book, and an important one—and it is a great read.” — Daniel Weiss, President, The Metropolitan Museum of Art

 

January 13 – The Artful Edit: On the Practice of Editing Yourself by Susan Bell

Bell, a veteran book editor, offers strategic tips and exercises for self-editing and a series of remarkable interviews, taking us into the studios of successful authors. The Artful Edit inspires readers to think about both the discipline and the creativity of editing and how it can enhance their work. Photographer Doug DuBois recommended this book as a guide for editing a body of work (see below).

“Editing can be an exhausting process, but it’s as critical for a photographer as it is for filmmakers and writers. Some of the best guides for editing come from both… Susan Bell’s The Artful Edit (it has an insightful account of F. Scott Fitzgerald’s working relationship with his editor Maxwell Perkins as well as a very useful anecdote about Bell’s husband, Mitch Epstein, struggling with editing for an exhibition). – Doug DuBois as quoted in Photo Work: Forty Photographers on Process and Practice

 

I hope you will join us!

 

Warm regards,

Irene

 


REMINDER: PWP MEMBER MEETING WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 7TH AT 6:30

Professional Women Photographers
 

Hello everyone,

We hope this message finds you well. 

We hope you will all be joining us on Wednesday for this month's member meeting.
- 6:30: Announcements
- 6:35: Curtain Raiser - Abigail Ekue
- 6:45: Guest Speaker - Gina Vasquez

Meeting Access Information - Please sign in before 6:30 so we can begin on time. 
This is a MEMBER-ONLY MEETING. Do not forward this information to anyone.

 

Time: Oct 7, 2020 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

 

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Curtain Raiser: Abigail Ekue
Abigail Ekue is a portrait photographer and curator focusing on gender, social representation, body positivity and sexuality through editorial, art and nude photography. Abigail will be presenting from her series "Black in Black & White" - Black creatives and visionaries featured in dynamic B&W portraits.
  

Featured Speaker: Gina Vasquez
Gina Vasquez is a conceptual self-portrait photographer based in New York City. She originally found photography as a means of self-expression, and that continues to find its way into her work, becoming the basis for many concepts. Her style is dreamlike and surreal, often portraying imaginative narratives and bold uses of color and shadow. Through her work, she aims to create introspective images that resonate with the viewer. Vasquez has collaborated with organizations such as 500px and UN Women, and her photographs have received awards from PDN and Microsoft. She graduated with an AAS in Photography and a BS in Art History and Museum Professions from the Fashion Institute of Technology, and is currently completing an MA in Art History at Hunter College.
 
Visit www.ginavasquez.com to learn more about Gina Vasquez and her work.



November 4th
Featured Speaker: Sarah Bones

Sarah S. Bones saved for her first 35mm camera at age 13, in 1969. She was soon hitchhiking into Philadelphia so she could photograph the lives and circumstances of people living on the street. As a professional photographer and director, her passion in documenting people in need continued and has carried her across the world and locally, into prisons and homeless shelters.
 
She joined the collective group Photographers For Hope in 2011 and is a longtime member of both ASMP and the NPPA.



Re: When to approach a museum director

m g
 

i agree with marilyn - go for it! a "no" can do no harm........marjorie


From: Members@PWP.groups.io <Members@PWP.groups.io> on behalf of Marilyn Kirsch <marilyn@...>
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 12:25 PM
To: org.groups-io.001@... <org.groups-io.001@...>
Cc: Members@pwp.groups.io <Members@pwp.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [PWP] When to approach a museum director
 

Hi Virginia,

You have nothing to lose, I say go for it!

Best wishes,
Marilyn

On 2020-10-05 11:01, org.groups-io.001@... wrote:

Dear PWP,

I live in a small community about 3h north of NYC, Northampton, MA. I'm new to being in a small town; I used to live in Boston.

Covid situation:
Massachusetts funds cities and towns to give small grants to artists. Their mission is to fund interactive, community enriching exhibitions and projects. Exhibitions are included in this mission. Because of covid, no community organization will commit to an indoor exhibit. I'm thinking about approaching the director of Smith College's Museum of Art.

Question:
Is it a mistake to aim too high before your work is ready? How do you know when your work is ready?

Smith College has a well funded, quite good Museum of Art. My neighbor, who teaches at Smith but is not an artist, suggested that I contact the director of the museum to see if there is a way to exhibit my work at Smith through the Mass grant during the pandemic.  I would be essentially introducting myself to her. My work is good, I think. Not sure if it's museum ready. But it might be, I'm too close to it to tell.

My work isn't feminist or social justice focussed exactly, it's more intellectual or metaphysical. Smith College and Northampton is very much a women's culture, social justice and  LGBTQ town, also very intellectual. My work doesn't exactly express those cultures, but things might leak through because I am culturally alligned. Plus it's easier for me to approach women than men.

The grant deadline is Oct. 15th. Because of Covid, quick studio visit with someone is impossible. Well, I guess I could send some files to a couple people.

Any advice or thoughts?

Ginny Sandman


Re: When to approach a museum director

Marilyn Kirsch
 

Hi Virginia,

You have nothing to lose, I say go for it!

Best wishes,
Marilyn

On 2020-10-05 11:01, org.groups-io.001@... wrote:

Dear PWP,

I live in a small community about 3h north of NYC, Northampton, MA. I'm new to being in a small town; I used to live in Boston.

Covid situation:
Massachusetts funds cities and towns to give small grants to artists. Their mission is to fund interactive, community enriching exhibitions and projects. Exhibitions are included in this mission. Because of covid, no community organization will commit to an indoor exhibit. I'm thinking about approaching the director of Smith College's Museum of Art.

Question:
Is it a mistake to aim too high before your work is ready? How do you know when your work is ready?

Smith College has a well funded, quite good Museum of Art. My neighbor, who teaches at Smith but is not an artist, suggested that I contact the director of the museum to see if there is a way to exhibit my work at Smith through the Mass grant during the pandemic.  I would be essentially introducting myself to her. My work is good, I think. Not sure if it's museum ready. But it might be, I'm too close to it to tell.

My work isn't feminist or social justice focussed exactly, it's more intellectual or metaphysical. Smith College and Northampton is very much a women's culture, social justice and  LGBTQ town, also very intellectual. My work doesn't exactly express those cultures, but things might leak through because I am culturally alligned. Plus it's easier for me to approach women than men.

The grant deadline is Oct. 15th. Because of Covid, quick studio visit with someone is impossible. Well, I guess I could send some files to a couple people.

Any advice or thoughts?

Ginny Sandman


REMINDER A Photo Essay workshop

Barbara Nelson 1
 

Reminder of this timely workshop to organize you photos into a strong presentation for the end purpose - 

A Photo Essay can take many creative forms and end destinations.  We all have groups (or mixed groups) of photos that can be organized into strong presentation.
This workshop will setup guidelines to work with to get started - or move forward - (and focused)  Three sessions.

Dates: Saturdays- November 7, 14, 21.
Time:  11:00 - 2 PM EST
Fee:  $150.00 PWP members.  $175 non-members  
Maximum 15 people

RSVP.  Barbara Nelson.  bnelson2@...

Forward check to hold reservation.
Barbara Nelson
340 Haven Avenue #3J
NYC, NY 10033

For viewing images we can work with Bridge or Lightroom or screen-share in ZOOM

OUTLINE OF EACH SESSION:

November 7, Session 1: 
  • What is a Photo Essay, Beginning Middle End
  • showing different examples from Magazines/ editorial work and Art context (museums, galleries, books) for inspiration
  • brainstorming ideas
  • structuring assignments/ shot list: for example empty rooms, interior/exterior, still lives, portraits, and different shot types (close up, medium, wide)

November 14, Session 2: 
  • Looking at images and assignment work
  • presenting ideas visual with photographs
  • what’s missing, what needs to be re-photographed
  • more assignments: candid and contrived images, shooting in different light (twilight), how to photograph emotions etc.
  • thinking about text, such as project titles and captions for each image

November 21, Session 3: 
  • Editing and Sequencing - putting the story together
  • Thinking about different output, social media, magazines, books, gallery show etc.
  • Final presentation and Critique

Claudia Sohrens is a German-born visual artist and educator, who lives and works in New York. Sohrens received a BFA in Communications Design from IN.D, in Hamburg, and an MA in Media and Communications from the European Graduate School in Switzerland, where she is currently a PhD candidate. She is faculty in the Full-Time General Studies Program at the International Center of Photography, in the Photography Department at Parsons The New School for Design and in the Communications Design Department at Pratt Institute.She is the recipient of several artist grants, such as the 2010 NYFA fellowship in Photography; she participated in artist residencies, for example at the Bronx Museum in New York. Her work has been included in exhibitions at the Bronx Museum, the Brooklyn Museum and at the Artists Space in New York, as well as international art venues and festivals, such as the Electronic Language Festival in Sao Paulo, the Project Space at Kunsthalle Wien, KW – the Institut for Contemporary Art in Berlin, as well as, Kampnagel KX in Hamburg. Her latest project Mise En Abyme: Archive, has fiscal sponsorship through NYFA http://artspire.org/DirectoryDetail/tabid/95/id/1142/Default.aspx

Barbara Nelson, long time PWP member, produces the professional workshops and seminars for PWP.  Photographer, journalist, producer of workshops and seminars for the visual arts community.  Member PWP, WICI, ASMP.  www.barbaranelson.com







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Barbara Nelson 


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Barbara Nelson 


Re: When to approach a museum director

Fredda Gordon
 

Hi Ginny,
Go for it! You have nothing to lose!!! Worst they can do is say no or not respond. Let me know what happens.
Good luck,
Fredda

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 11:08 AM <org.groups-io.001@...> wrote:
Dear PWP,

I live in a small community about 3h north of NYC, Northampton, MA. I'm new to being in a small town; I used to live in Boston.

Covid situation:
Massachusetts funds cities and towns to give small grants to artists. Their mission is to fund interactive, community enriching exhibitions and projects. Exhibitions are included in this mission. Because of covid, no community organization will commit to an indoor exhibit. I'm thinking about approaching the director of Smith College's Museum of Art.

Question:
Is it a mistake to aim too high before your work is ready? How do you know when your work is ready?

Smith College has a well funded, quite good Museum of Art. My neighbor, who teaches at Smith but is not an artist, suggested that I contact the director of the museum to see if there is a way to exhibit my work at Smith through the Mass grant during the pandemic.  I would be essentially introducting myself to her. My work is good, I think. Not sure if it's museum ready. But it might be, I'm too close to it to tell.

My work isn't feminist or social justice focussed exactly, it's more intellectual or metaphysical. Smith College and Northampton is very much a women's culture, social justice and  LGBTQ town, also very intellectual. My work doesn't exactly express those cultures, but things might leak through because I am culturally alligned. Plus it's easier for me to approach women than men.

The grant deadline is Oct. 15th. Because of Covid, quick studio visit with someone is impossible. Well, I guess I could send some files to a couple people.

Any advice or thoughts?

Ginny Sandman



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www.freddaphotography.com